IPalamente ivule ibhokisi kaPandora ngokuphonononga uqukuqelo lwaseTurkey lwangaphambili, okuthetha ukuba akunakubuyela kwixesha elidlulileyo, utshilo intloko yekhomishini.
I-Turkey iye yasiphakamisa isiciko seBhokisi yePandora malunga nokuguqulwa kwexesha elidlulileyo, intloko yeKomishoni yePalamente yokuPhanda uBukhosi boMkhosi ithe, ngelixa iphawula ukuba isigqibo sawo onke amaqela sokuphanda ngokubeka ixesha elidlulileyo simele indawo enkulu yelizwe.
"[Ikhomishini] inike ithuba elibalulekileyo ... lokuziphendulela ngokunyanisekileyo kunye nokuzigxeka," uNimet Baş uxelele kutshanje, esongeza ukuba umsebenzi womzimba "linyathelo elibalulekileyo."
“Isinike ithuba lokuba sijongane nembali yethu yakutshanje, kwaye kusekho imiba ekusafuneka ijongwe nzulu. Sithe sivule iBhokisi yakwaPandora kwaye asithethi ngento egqitywe kwaphela,” utshilo.
Ngaba uyayibona ikhonkco phakathi kokusebenza kwekhomishini kunye nenkqubo yomthetho eqale kwiveki ephelileyo malunga nowayesakuba yintloko ye-General Staff Gen. İsmail Hakkı Karadayı, ophendule imibuzo yekomishini kwaye ngoku uye waba ngumrhanelwa ngenxa yendima yakhe ekutyholweni kwe-Islamist yaseTurkey. urhulumente ngexesha “lobhukuqo-mbuso lwasemva kwale mihla” ngowe-1997?
Enyanisweni andiyiboni ikhonkco. Kwakusele kukho ityala lomthetho ngoSeptemba 12, 1980, noFebruwari 28, 1997 [ubhukuqo-mbuso]. Sazama ukungangeni kulawulo lwenkundla.
Ngokucacileyo, sabaphulaphula amagunya omkhosi ngamaxesha obhukuqo-mbuso. Samphulaphula noKaradayı. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba senze umsebenzi obalulekileyo ukuze siqonde inkqubo yokukhwabanisa kunye nokuba yintoni abapolitiki abamele bayenze okanye bangenzi kwixesha elizayo. Kodwa ulawulo kunye nesakhelo azifani.
Ngaba yayiyinto eqhelekileyo ukuba uKaradayı avalelwe?
Zange ndothuke. Ndingathanda ukukufumanisa kunzima ukuphepha ukumamela umphathi we-General Staff ngoko ukuba kukho uphando malunga ne-28 kaFebruwari. Njengegqwetha, ndingatsho ukuba oko kwakuqhelekileyo kwenzeka; kodwa andizukuqhubeka ndithethe ngetyala lomthetho.
Umbeka phi ukuya kuthi ga kwinkqubo ye-28 kaFebruwari?
Ekupheleni kosuku, eyona nto ibalulekileyo [umdlali] kwi-coup ngumkhosi kwaye oyena mntu ubalulekileyo kukho umphathi we-General Staff.
Ibe yintoni igalelo lekhomishini kwidemokhrasi yaseTurkey?
Inike ithuba elibalulekileyo lenkcazo yento esele isaziwa, ukuziphendulela kwangempela kunye nokuzigxeka. Ndikholelwa ukuba yayilinyathelo elibalulekileyo kwidemokhrasi yaseTurkey ukuseka ikhomishini ngemvume yawo onke amaqela ePalamente kwaye izigqibo zengxelo zivunyelwene ngabo bonke.
Isinike ithuba lokuba sijongane nembali yethu yakutshanje kwaye kusekho imiba ekusafuneka ijongwe nzulu. Sithe sivula iBhokisi yePandora kwaye asithethi ngento egqitywe ngokupheleleyo. Yiyo loo nto senze uluhlu lwezinto ekufuneka zenziwe ngakumbi.
Kodwa enye into eyagxekwayo yayikukuba akukhange kubekho mpendulo yokwenene, ekubeni abenzi bobubi bengazange babonakalise ukuzisola okanye ukuzisola.
Andithethi amazwi okuzisola kwimeko nganye xa ndithetha ngokubala. Kubuntu ukuzisola nokuzisola ngento oyenzileyo. Kodwa andilindelanga ukuba umntu ongcungcuthekise omnye umntu abenemilinganiselo yobuntu, ngoko ke andilindelanga kuzisola. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kubalulekile ukubonisa eluntwini abo bathi ngoSeptemba we-12 emva kokungenelela komkhosi, ukuphalazwa kwegazi kuyekwa, [kodwa endaweni yoko] baphatha ngokungenabuntu inqwaba yamawaka abantu abaselula entolongweni. Ukuziphendulela asikokudibana nje kwexhoba nomxhasi walo ukuze lowo umva abonakalise ukuzisola. Ikwacacisela uhlanga ukuba oko babekwazi ukuba yinyaniso kwakuyenye into yaye oko babexelelwa ukuba bakukholelwe ngokwenene kwakububuxoki.
Iingcali zithi ukuba bekukho isithembiso sokuxolelwa, ukuxolisa kunye nokuzisola kwabo bahlaseleyo ngekuba lula. Kwikomishini yakho, nangona kunjalo, amaxhoba athetha ngezikhalazo zawo ngelixa abahlaseli babo bathi benze into efanelekileyo.
Xa kwakusekwa le komishini, kwakukho iqela elithile elalilindeleke kakhulu ngelixa elinye lalicinga ukuba akukho nto iza kuphuma kuyo. Uthumo lwethu lwayahluke kakhulu kunolo lwamiselwa kumazwe aseLatin America, eSpeyin, ePortugal okanye eJamani. Besiyazi loo nto, kwasekuqaleni, kungoko siye sacebisa ukuba ekugqibeleni siseke ikomishini yokukhangela inyaniso neza kuxhotyiswa ngamagunya ahlukeneyo, oluhlobo olunokuthi luyiphumeze le nto ubuyithetha. malunga. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba akulunganga ukutyhola ikomishini ngokungayenzi into ephunyezwe yenye ikhomishini efana nale.
Ngaba ucinga ukuba ubhukuqo-mbuso lomkhosi lwabelana ngenqaku elifanayo, okanye ngaba ngalinye lityala elahlukileyo elineemeko zalo ezikhethekileyo?
Ngamnye wazala omnye. Bonke baxhomekeke kwinkqubo efanayo yokufundisa, ingcamango efanayo eyenza ukuba babone ummi njengesisongelo kwaye ngokwabo njengabo banokugqiba oko kulungileyo kwisizwe. Ubona ingqikelelo efanayo yomanyano lwesizwe kuzo zonke iingxelo zobhukuqo-mbuso. Kwimeko nganye, umbono wokusongela wenziwa ngokujolisa iqela elithile kwisizwe, ngo-1980 yayingamakomanisi; ngoFebruwari 28 yayingabo bafundamentali.
Le komishoni ikwagxininise kunxulumano lwabahlali nobhukuqo-mbuso; ingaba okokuqala kwimbali yaseTurkey?
Ngokucacileyo kufuneka sitsho ukuba indima yomkhosi ibaluleke kakhulu. Kodwa ngamanye amaxesha sibajongela phantsi abo babebaxhasa nababebakhuthaza. Xa sijonga abantu, amajelo eendaba, [oosomashishini noosomashishini] abanamandla kwezoqoqosho, iinkundla, amagqwetha nezifundiswa, sababona bonke begoba phambi komkhosi – bengasoloko bephuma. yoloyiko. Ngamanye amaxesha, babenenkxaso ngenxa yokuba babenesimo sengqondo esifanayo. Ndikholelwa ukuba enye yeengxaki eziphambili zaseTurkey kukungabikho kwesakhiwo esizimeleyo. Iminqweno yosomashishini iyadibana nekarhulumente, kwaye xa becinga ukuba oko kungaphazamisa umdla wabo wezoqoqosho, balwela ukuqhubeka kwenkqubo. Siye sabona ukuba bonke abo besicinga ukuba bangamademokhrasi bebethwele iinkuni zomlilo wesihogo.
Ngaba kuthetha ukuba sonke sinetyala? Ngaba asinalo uluntu oluthanda ukuxhasa ubhukuqo-mbuso?
Akukho namnye kuthi omsulwa. Kodwa eso simo sengqondo singumphumo wokusasazwa kweengcamango zokuqinisekisa [abantu] ngemfuneko yobhukuqo-mbuso. Iyinxalenye yemfazwe yengqondo. I-Polarization kuluntu yadalwa kwaye iimeko zadalwa kwaye zavunyelwa ukuba zivuthwe ukwenza abantu bakholelwe ukuba amandla angcwele kufuneka eze ngokutsha [uluntu]. Yiyo loo nto inkokeli yobhukuqo-mbuso ngoSeptemba 12 [Gen. UKenan] Evren wakwazi [kamva] ukuthi, “Salinda ukuba iimeko zivuthwe.”
Kodwa ibutho labantu alikhuselekanga kolu hlobo losasazo.
Phantse i-70 pesenti yembali yeriphabliki idlulile phantsi kweemeko zobhukuqo-mbuso. Asinakulindela ukuba uluntu lube nedemokhrasi ephezulu kwaye lubonise ukuxhathisa. Naphi na apho bajonga khona, amagqwetha, amadoda enkolo nezifundiswa zithi le yeyona nto ilungileyo kwaye abezopolitiko bathi “ewe.” Le yeyona ngxaki yelizwe lethu; ukuba iinkcuba-buchopho bezinokubonakalisa ukuxhathisa, ukuba abaqulunqi bezimvo bebenokuba nesibindi ngakumbi, ngesingazange sithethe ngale miba.
Ungatsho ukuba ibikokokuqala ngqa ukuba kudizwe amakhonkco onxibelelwano ngeenkcukacha ezininzi kangaka ngexesha leengxoxo zekomishini?
Sisanda kubeka phambili oko kwakwaziwa ngamaxwebhu. Ngaphandle koko, wonke umntu wayesazi yonke into. Uphuhliso olubi lwakwazi ukwenzeka kuphela ngenxa yokuthula kwawo onke amacandelo kuluntu. Kukho intetho endiyithandayo: “Igqabi alinakujika libe tyheli ngaphandle kolwazi lwawo onke amasebe omthi.”
Luthini uvavanyo lwakho lwamakhonkco angaphandle kubhukuqo-mbuso?
Sifuna ubungqina obubambekayo bokutyhola ilizwe. Into endinokuyenza kukufunda kwezopolitiko. I-Turkey lilizwe elidibeneyo kwinkqubo yamazwe ngamazwe. Xa ujonga iinjongo kunye nesakhiwo se-NATO, ubona ukuba ichaphazele ngokuthe ngqo iipolitiki zamazwe kunye nezenzo zezopolitiko. Ngoko andinakuthi [ubhukuqo-mbuso] lwenzeke ngokuzimeleyo. Ubuncinci bekukho ukungakhathali kubhukuqo-mbuso eTurkey. [Abadlali kwi] inkqubo yezizwe ngezizwe banxibelelana ngokukhawuleza neenjengele zobhukuqo-mbuso kwaye babaqaphela: Oku, kukodwa, kunentsingiselo enkulu.
Ucinga ukuba kukho unxibelelwano phakathi kobhukuqo-mbuso?
Iyingxenye yembono yangaphakathi yesongelo [eyenziwe ngumkhosi] kwaye siyazi ukuba iingcamango zangaphakathi zokusongela zibonelele nge-alibi yokukhwabanisa. Abezobupolitika abazange bavunyelwe ukufumana isisombululo kule ngxaki. Le yenye yezona ngxaki zibalulekileyo eTurkey. Ezinye zeengxaki zazishiyelwa kulawulo lomkhosi kuphela yaye umkhosi awuzange uvumele abezobupolitika bazisombulule kwanaxa abantu abaqhelekileyo babelawula. Izisombululo zezopolitiko zifuna izisombululo zedemokhrasi kwaye [ngenxa yesimo somkhosi], siye sabaleka kwizisombululo zedemokhrasi. Amajoni ayecinga ukuba akwazi ukwenza izisombululo ezisebenzayo kuyo yonke imiba ukusuka kwezoqoqosho ukuya kwezobugcisa. Badlala indima ebalulekileyo ekuthinteleni izisombululo zedemokhrasi kule ngxaki.
Kwingxelo yangaphambili uthe kusekho umngcipheko wobhukuqo-mbuso.
Khange ndithi kukho ubhukuqo-mbuso olunokwenzeka ngokwengqiqo yakudala; kanye njengoko siye saba nobhukuqo-mbuso lwangoku nge-28 kaFebruwari, kunokubakho ubhukuqo-mbuso olungaqhelekanga. Kungenxa yokuba asikazihlambululi thina ngokwengqondo yobhukuqo-mbuso. Kusekho abo bakholelwayo ekubeni ubhukuqo-mbuso lusemthethweni. Kukho ijelo leendaba, umzekelo, elikwintlungu ebuhlungu malunga namatyala eenkokeli zobhukuqo-mbuso. Ngoxa esi sizwe siwuthanda umkhosi waso yaye sinyanisekile ngokupheleleyo, siye sabona intaphane yamaxwebhu angqina ukuba umkhosi walusebenzisa kakubi waza walusebenzisa kakubi olu thando nokunyaniseka.
NGUBANI uNİMET BAŞ ?
Waba lilungu eliseka i-Justice and Development Party (AKP) kwaye wonyulwa njengesekela lase-Istanbul ngo-2002, unyaka apho i-AKP yeza kurhulumente. Emva kokunyulwa, uBaş uthathe inxaxheba kwiKhomishini yepalamente yaseTurkey-EU.
Ngo-2005, waba ngumphathiswa ojongene namanina nosapho. Waphinda wonyulwa kunyulo luka-2007 kwaye wonyulwa njengomphathiswa welizwe, waba kuphela kwelungu leKhabhinethi elibhinqileyo kurhulumente. Ngo-2009 waba ngumphathiswa wezemfundo kuzwelonke.
Uphinde wanyulwa njengosekela Istanbul kunyulo luka-2011.
